Nandita Dinesh: Gripping story of conflict, people and places
By ASJAD NAZIRJun 09, 2022
WRITER REVEALS HOW WORKING IN CONFLICT ZONES GLOBALLY INSPIRED HER DEBUT NOVEL
IT WAS perhaps always going to be inevitable that Nandita Dinesh would write her newly published debut novel This Place/That Place.
Hailing from Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu and now living in San Francisco, she spent years working on community theatre projects in current and recovering conflict zones like Kashmir, Uganda, and Mexico, along with writing various books about it. She used these multitude of experiences like censorship, police surveillance, and quasi-house arrest as inspirations for her new book, revolving around two protagonists pitted on opposite sides of a war brought together under unexpected circumstances.
The neatly crafted novel that is political, personal, and filled with emotion is the start of a new journey for the seasoned global traveller.
Eastern Eye caught up with the writer to discuss her work in conflict zones, new novel, and future hopes.
What made you want to work in community theatre projects in conflict zones?
It began as a desire to connect the two areas I was studying in university, theatre and economics. After my first visit to a war zone, it became a fascination and obsession with what was/is a seemingly impossible contrast – that even in the darkest of times and most desperate circumstances, there is room for creativity. For art. For theatre.
Tell us about some of the work you did in these places?
In each place, the work has been different. I daresay that’s the essence of devised theatre – a participatory process of making in which an ensemble of creators build a piece from scratch. In this approach, the work needs to shapeshift all the time, to what a particular group of people might want to create.
How did your role differ in some of these places?
In northern Uganda, I primarily engaged as a researcher. In Rwanda, as a curriculum designer for an NGO’s theatre programme. In Kashmir, as a PhD student, who became the co-creator of a 24-hour long immersive theatrical creation.
What led you towards writing your debut novel?
I started my journey as a writer with academic writing but, slowly, began to find myself getting frustrated with the language of academia. Don’t get me wrong, there are many academics who write in wonderful ways – it just felt too limiting for me. This limitation, in addition to the hypervigilance that one has to carry these days when writing about ‘real world’ war zones. Fiction felt like it could be more freeing.
Tell us about the story?
Well, it’s a simple premise, really. Two passionate and intelligent people are stuck together during a curfew and this forced intimacy creates the conditions for a range of revelations; personal, political, and everything in between.
Was there anything specific that inspired the story?
It’s a composite of various realities of war that I have witnessed. Realities that my friends and colleagues speak about, which I can never understand fully, but use my imagination to try to explore just a little bit more. It’s inspired by experiencing curfew in Kashmir, by work I saw being done in rehabilitation centres with former child soldiers in northern Uganda, by tough questions about intergenerational trauma I witnessed in Rwanda.
What inspired the interesting title This Place/That Place?
The desire for it to not become about one place or one conflict, but instead, speak to larger conditions. Of binaries. Of borders. Of occupations.
Who are you hoping connects with this book?
Everyone! As I mentioned before, an aspect I found limiting about academic writing is its tendency to be targeted towards a very specific audience familiar with how that language functions. So, with a novel, I’m really hoping to speak to a wider audience. (Laughs) To be perfectly honest, after the kind of limited readership I’ve had with my academic writing, I’ll take an audience anywhere in the high double digits as a win!
What is your favourite part of the book?
It depends on the day you ask me. Some days it’s the sexual tension between the two protagonists. Other days it’s the interspersed texts that are akin to manifestos. Today, I think it’s the letter that ends the book, for all the questions that it leaves the reader with.
Is there a key message you want to convey?
No message. I want each reader to find their own message.
Did you learn anything new while writing this book?
What has been immensely educational is the process of developing this work with my agent, the absolutely fantastic Mary Krienke of Sterling Lord Literistic. Mary’s feedback and input have been pivotal in my considerations of how much I want to push the envelope. Every author should be fortunate enough to have someone like Mary as part of their process.
What do you enjoy reading?
Ever since I started writing more seriously, sometime in 2015, I think, I began reading less. I used to be a voracious reader but not anymore. I find that when I read, I start writing like the person whose voice I’m immersed in. Not reading has been essential in helping me think about how I want to write.
What can we expect next from you?
I have a few projects I’m working on; what the world will see next depends on the whims of the publishing world! What I can say is each of the three ongoing manuscripts, at different stages of development, is doing its own thing. One is classifiable as a novel; the other is somewhere between a play, a novel, and a memoir; the third is some kind of illustrated novel.
What is it that inspires you as a writer?
The news. It’s always something that’s in the news.
Why should we pick up your new book?
You should pick it up because it’s adventurous. And the world needs more adventures, no?
AN ASIAN writer has explained how his new book makes Britain’s imperial past “accessible, engaging and thought-provoking” for a younger audience.
Award-winning author and journalist Sathnam Sanghera’s new book, Journeys of Empire, explores empire through 10 journeys he described as being “extraordinary”. Sanghera said his book, published last month by Puffin UK, is “a way of helping children understand how Britain’s biggest story still shapes the world today.”
“We’re not taught this history very well,” he told Eastern Eye.
“The empire is morally complex – sometimes we were good, sometimes bad – so, how do you even begin talking about it? It’s also contentious. There are millions of us whose families were colonised, and millions whose families were the colonisers.”
Teachers cannot teach what they themselves were never taught, Sanghera pointed out.
“There are multiple layers to why British people are so bad at talking about this history. It touches on race, misogyny and geopolitics. It’s easier just not to talk about it.”
And , the cover of his book
Following the success of his bestselling children’s title Stolen History, Sanghera’s this latest work continues Sanghera’s mission to write for readers aged nine and above. With a focus on human experiences, Sanghera said he wanted show that history is not just a list of dates or conquests – it’s a tapestry of stories that connect people.
Born in Wolverhampton to Punjabi immigrant parents, he began school unable to speak English. Later he graduated with first-class honours in English language and literature from Christ’s College, Cambridge.
He has since built a career as a writer and journalist.
His memoir, The Boy with the Topknot, and his novel, Marriage Material, were both shortlisted for the Costa Book Awards. Empireland, Sanghera’s exploration of Britain’s colonial legacy, was longlisted for the Baillie Gifford Prize for Non- Fiction, named a Book of the Year at the 2022 National Book Awards, and inspired the Channel 4 documentary series Empire State of Mind.
His first children’s book, Stolen History, introduced young readers to the complex and often overlooked realities of empire. With Journeys of Empire, Sanghera aims to go further. “When I finally learned about the British empire, it changed how I saw myself, how I saw Britain, and how I saw India,” he said.
“It seemed obvious that you’d want to give this gift to young people – because your 40s is a bit late to be learning all this.”
Sanghera said the 10 journeys in the book take readers across continents and centuries, revealing both the ambition and the brutality of empire.
“The British empire covered a quarter of the world’s surface and a large portion of its population. It was seven times the size of the Roman empire,” he said.
Aiming to ensure diversity in both perspective and geography, Sanghera said he chose stories from various countries and different phases of the 400-year history.
Alongside India and Mahatma Gandhi, readers will learn about Guyana’s indentured labour system, Gertrude Bell’s adventures in Iraq, and the British invasion of Tibet led by Francis Younghusband.
“I wanted to highlight areas often left out of mainstream narratives,” the writer said. The stories are written with an accessible and honest tone, and with humour.
“Violence is a tricky area,” Sanghera said. “You can’t go into graphic detail, but you also shouldn’t whitewash it. The violence and racism of colonialism were intrinsic. “I tried to strike a balance - acknowledging the brutality without overwhelming young readers.”
Writing for children isn’t much different from writing for adults, Sanghera said.
“You still need engaging stories and to hold attention. The main thing is to avoid big words that might put them off.”
He pointed out how storytelling can counter the allure of digital screens.
“Kids are addicted to screens, and reading rates are falling globally. That’s disastrous for mental health, intellectual development, and politics,” he said.
“When you get news from screens, you’re in an echo chamber – you’re not being challenged or taught to think in a nuanced way.”
Sanghera’s hope is that stories of Journeys of Empire – from pirates to princes and explorers to rebels – will draw in young readers to a world of curiosity and reflection. He said, “The British empire is a complex story. Even the ‘good guys’ had flaws. That’s what makes it worth understanding.”
At the heart of his book is a message about complexity and contradiction. “The empire involved slavery and the abolition of slavery. It caused environmental destruction and inspired environmentalism. We live in a world that struggles with nuance, but that’s what makes us human,” Sanghera said.
“My hope is that readers – kids and adults – learn that opposite things can be true at the same time.”
After six years of writing about empire, Sanghera said he’s ready for a change. His next book will focus on the late pop star George Michael, due out in June next year.
“I thought George Michael would be a nice break from empire. But then I learned that his father came from Cyprus - which was under British rule. The reason he left Cyprus was because of the British. So, even George Michael’s story connects back to empire. You can’t escape it, wherever you go.”
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